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    Quote Originally Posted by archerdad View Post
    really ready to gander over the new nemesis, love the old one too though
    Yea, the new Nemesis 35 has my vote so far of all the new bows, think it's gonna be a shooter!
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    I think they should go back to anodizing their risers to take care of a lot of the finish problems (at least with the non camo bows) I have an old Scepter 2 that is anodized and the finish on it looks in way better condition than my newer Scepter 4's.

    One of the main things I always liked about Martin, and thought made them a smarter option than a lot of other brands was the interchangeability of all their limb and cam options with the older bows, You had 17", 16" & 14" limbs to choose from, and a whole array of cams as well, and they could all be mixed and matched to come up with a bow that suited the archer down to the ground......not so much now with the newer bows.

    I would also like them to bring back the Nitrous cams, or some other (even faster) X shoot through cam system, as long as they feel similar to the Nitrous cams.

    I would still like to add a Shadowcat and a Scepter V to my stable though !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woody69 View Post
    I think they should go back to anodizing their risers to take care of a lot of the finish problems (at least with the non camo bows) I have an old Scepter 2 that is anodized and the finish on it looks in way better condition than my newer Scepter 4's.

    One of the main things I always liked about Martin, and thought made them a smarter option than a lot of other brands was the interchangeability of all their limb and cam options with the older bows, You had 17", 16" & 14" limbs to choose from, and a whole array of cams as well, and they could all be mixed and matched to come up with a bow that suited the archer down to the ground......not so much now with the newer bows.

    I would also like them to or some othbring back the Nitrous cams,er (even faster) X shoot through cam system, as long as they feel similar to the Nitrous cams.I would still like to add a Shadowcat and a Scepter V to my stable though !

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    I think that there is a long list of folks who would like to see that happen!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bfisher View Post
    Dean,
    2. The reason for premature serving wear is being caused by sharp edges in the cam and module grooves. At least that has been what I've found. So this part I do have to agree with. I don't think it would be so hard to change the machining procedure to alleviate this problem. I know that compared with the Cat/Nitro/Hybrix cams the Nitrous cams were machined with nice round edges in and around the string grooves and exhibited none of the wear being seen today.
    Has anyone observed yet if this issue has been addressed in 2013 lineup? I must say I am quite dissappointed if it hasn't, since I believe Martin has certainly got enough feedback about it. If I could get a Nitro 3 cam's draw length module in my hands, I could easily see it it still has the sharp 90 degree edge on the inner side.

    And, if the issue has been fixed, I would definitely order a pair of 2013 modules for my 2011 Onza 3 (even though I have made the edges round myself using a file).

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    Iam just glad I got my hands on a 2012 Cougar FC before they all got gone. I think 2013 line up looks sad. The speed numbers are stuck in the mid to low numbers of the industry. 80% of PSE pro line shoots faster than all the top end Martins in 2013. When I found out the Silencer wasn't comeing back in 2013 I went on the search for one and got lucky and found a sweet deal on a Cougar.

    To be honest......there is nothing in the 2013 line that I would drop my money on. Too many better options out there with other companies.

    WHY IS MARTIN SLOWING DOWN??????
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    Quote Originally Posted by hawkdriver55 View Post
    Iam just glad I got my hands on a 2012 Cougar FC before they all got gone. I think 2013 line up looks sad. The speed numbers are stuck in the mid to low numbers of the industry. 80% of PSE pro line shoots faster than all the top end Martins in 2013. When I found out the Silencer wasn't comeing back in 2013 I went on the search for one and got lucky and found a sweet deal on a Cougar.

    To be honest......there is nothing in the 2013 line that I would drop my money on. Too many better options out there with other companies.

    WHY IS MARTIN SLOWING DOWN??????
    It's called real-world speed numbers. Martin has done their best to put IBO speeds out that are as close to real-world numbers as possible. I congratulate them for doing this.

    Not all other bow companies make bows that do the speed that they advertise either. I am not putting any company down either. PSE bows may do the advertised speed, but the bottom line is speed is only part of the package.

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    I somewhat agree that the speeds are somewhat slow, but you have to look at how the others are reaching the speeds. Most of the highest speed bows have 5.5 to 6 inch brace heights increasing the power stroke. This is immediately throwing another 10 to 15 fps on top of their 7 inch brace height counterparts. Just about every bow in the lineup has a 7 inch brace. It begs to question if this is a philosophy of "shootability". I imagine that Martin just doesn't feel that making the bows less forgiving for 10-15 fps is worth it. I personally would like to have a choice between a 6 inch brace or a 7 inch brace -- for instance the Insanity CPXL vs the CPX or the Monster 6, 7, or 8. It would be cool to have a Aliex X or an Alien Z with a 6 inch brace and tweak it to IBO 345 just to have one speed freak bow and what the heck call it the Alien Encounter or Abduction.

    I am not sure how practical this is, but it would be nice that if you buy a Rytera Pro Series bow that the bow is setup to all specs and meets the advertised speeds from the factory. There is one "dealer" in my city that doesn't even stock the bows, but says that he can order one for me. How hard do you think that he will work on that bow to shoot as it was intended?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lab Rat View Post
    I somewhat agree that the speeds are somewhat slow, but you have to look at how the others are reaching the speeds. Most of the highest speed bows have 5.5 to 6 inch brace heights increasing the power stroke. This is immediately throwing another 10 to 15 fps on top of their 7 inch brace height counterparts. Just about every bow in the lineup has a 7 inch brace. It begs to question if this is a philosophy of "shootability". I imagine that Martin just doesn't feel that making the bows less forgiving for 10-15 fps is worth it. I personally would like to have a choice between a 6 inch brace or a 7 inch brace -- for instance the Insanity CPXL vs the CPX or the Monster 6, 7, or 8. It would be cool to have a Aliex X or an Alien Z with a 6 inch brace and tweak it to IBO 345 just to have one speed freak bow and what the heck call it the Alien Encounter or Abduction.

    I am not sure how practical this is, but it would be nice that if you buy a Rytera Pro Series bow that the bow is setup to all specs and meets the advertised speeds from the factory. There is one "dealer" in my city that doesn't even stock the bows, but says that he can order one for me. How hard do you think that he will work on that bow to shoot as it was intended?
    Well put. I forgot about the BH difference. Taking an 1.5" off the brace height would definitely change how a Martin shoots, and I doubt it would be for the better.

    I like your idea of a Martin speed bow. Maybe call it the "Alien Speed".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow Splitter View Post
    Well put. I forgot about the BH difference. Taking an 1.5" off the brace height would definitely change how a Martin shoots, and I doubt it would be for the better.

    I like your idea of a Martin speed bow. Maybe call it the "Alien Speed".
    There is Seeker, of course, with adjustable brace height (minimum 5.75").

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lab Rat View Post
    I somewhat agree that the speeds are somewhat slow, but you have to look at how the others are reaching the speeds. Most of the highest speed bows have 5.5 to 6 inch brace heights increasing the power stroke. This is immediately throwing another 10 to 15 fps on top of their 7 inch brace height counterparts. Just about every bow in the lineup has a 7 inch brace. It begs to question if this is a philosophy of "shootability". I imagine that Martin just doesn't feel that making the bows less forgiving for 10-15 fps is worth it. I personally would like to have a choice between a 6 inch brace or a 7 inch brace -- for instance the Insanity CPXL vs the CPX or the Monster 6, 7, or 8. It would be cool to have a Aliex X or an Alien Z with a 6 inch brace and tweak it to IBO 345 just to have one speed freak bow and what the heck call it the Alien Encounter or Abduction.

    I am not sure how practical this is, but it would be nice that if you buy a Rytera Pro Series bow that the bow is setup to all specs and meets the advertised speeds from the factory. There is one "dealer" in my city that doesn't even stock the bows, but says that he can order one for me. How hard do you think that he will work on that bow to shoot as it was intended?
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