ES 4x5, I've honestly been thinking about a recurve for a couple years. Just something to play around with and a lot less technical if you know what I mean. Around these parts tradtional guys don't have to shoot anything over 25 yards in 3D and it's getting to be that I can't see much farther than that anyway, LOL. It sucks getting old. Knowing me I'll order a Gale Martin Signature and if I'm smart I'll never open the box. Then buy something cheap for the shooting part.