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    Default '12 Cougar FC vs '11 Alien Z Heads Up Shoot-out

    With both in my hands I figured I would see how they performed in an equal competition.

    Cougar FC setup
    60# Power Tough limbs 1HP 9121
    Nitro 1.5 cams
    28" draw length
    max pull 61 lbs
    Limbdriver Pro V rest
    Copper John Gravedigger Bulls Eye sight
    D-loop (no nock sets) 5 grains
    CE kisser button - 5 grains with serving thread knots
    X-Factor string dampers 2@ 13 grains each

    Alien Z setup
    60# Barnsdale limbs #155
    Hybrix 2.0 cams
    28" draw
    max pull 58 lbs
    Limbdriver Pro V rest
    Copper John Gravedigger Bulls Eye sight
    D-loop with nock sets - 7 grains
    CE kisser button -5 grains with serving knots
    Cir-Cut whiskers - 34 grains total

    Ammunition - 27" CE Maxima Hunter 250 arrows with Blazer vanes - 347.1 grains actual measured weight.

    Release - Tru Fire Edge

    Chronograph - Beta Chrony @ 1 foot from bow - 10 consecutive shots from each bow

    -RESULTS-

    Cougar FC

    Lo 267.1
    Hi 276.5
    Avg 271.5
    Spread 9.43
    Sd 2.64

    Calculatd IBO using average - 322 fps

    Alien Z

    Lo 281.6
    Hi 296.1
    Avg 286.5
    Spread 14.49
    Sd 4.12

    Calculated IBO using average - 340 fps

    Even with limb saver limb dampening buttons the Z has slightly more felt vibration.

    I feel the Cougar could benefit from some further tuning. The string serving is also very long, over 10 inches in length. The Nitro 1.5 cams have the general profile of the Hybrix 2 cams but are scaled down. The Cougar has an easier draw cycle with the smaller cams also. Not a huge amount but noticeable.

    Further thoughts and opinions?
    Last edited by Rootsy; 12-05-2012 at 09:41 AM.
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    I feel you should send the Z my way for further "TESTING"
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    After I swapped out the CCS and installed the tilt tamer on my Alien Z the speed suffered a little. Using the stock cables and string with a 420 grain hunting arrow I got 265 fps. I also could only get around 56 lb of draw weight. I twisted the cables and brought the ATA back closer to 36" but the draw weight was about 59 lb. It then shot the 420 grain arrow at 277 fps. I then twisted the cables and now have about 60.5 lb of draw and you can tell that the bow is a little faster, but haven't chronographed yet.

    I read quite a few articles about wrapping up the cams on the Martin Cat cams and tried to do the same on the Alien Z. I am not familiar with the 1.5 cams. I spoke with a dealer in town that doesn't really stock any Martin bows and he admits that the Alien Z is a beast. I totally agree. I had a guy in Gander Mountain who films hunting shows and who shoots a PSE Evo Dream Season drooling over my Alien Z.

    A bow with a 36 inch ATA and almost 7 inches of brace shooting a real IBO of 340 fps is just sick. I think that Martin really made a mistake not bringing it out for 2013. I guess that makes the Alien Z a collector's item.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lab Rat View Post
    After I swapped out the CCS and installed the tilt tamer on my Alien Z the speed suffered a little. Using the stock cables and string with a 420 grain hunting arrow I got 265 fps. I also could only get around 56 lb of draw weight. I twisted the cables and brought the ATA back closer to 36" but the draw weight was about 59 lb. It then shot the 420 grain arrow at 277 fps. I then twisted the cables and now have about 60.5 lb of draw and you can tell that the bow is a little faster, but haven't chronographed yet.

    I read quite a few articles about wrapping up the cams on the Martin Cat cams and tried to do the same on the Alien Z. I am not familiar with the 1.5 cams. I spoke with a dealer in town that doesn't really stock any Martin bows and he admits that the Alien Z is a beast. I totally agree. I had a guy in Gander Mountain who films hunting shows and who shoots a PSE Evo Dream Season drooling over my Alien Z.

    A bow with a 36 inch ATA and almost 7 inches of brace shooting a real IBO of 340 fps is just sick. I think that Martin really made a mistake not bringing it out for 2013. I guess that makes the Alien Z a collector's item.
    I think if I can work something out to make the grip more comfortable I will be GTG on her. Maybe the thermal grip Martin offers will do the trick.

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    Default 1.5 vs 2.0 cam

    Do you think that you would have gotten faster speed out of the Cougar if you would have had the 2.0 cams?

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