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    In our constitution we were given the right to be armed.

    This was not meant so that we could go hunting.

    This was not meant so that we could defend our houses and family from an intruder.

    This WAS meant so that the citizens could rise up against a corupt government!

    Enough said.

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    George Washington: "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government"
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    Here, Here!. Ole Georgy was a Prepper like me!. lol

    Quote Originally Posted by TEN RING View Post
    George Washington: "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike G View Post
    In our constitution we were given the right to be armed.

    This was not meant so that we could go hunting.

    This was not meant so that we could defend our houses and family from an intruder.

    This WAS meant so that the citizens could rise up against a corupt government!

    Enough said.

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    An individual's rights transcend Government and are pre-ordained by our Creator by virtue of our existence.

    To read our governing documents one will understand that these documents are speaking to the "Government" not to the citizen.
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    Gov. Cumo rushed this legislation through in order the gain national popularity, he wanted to be the first to pass new gun laws. This will end up as a huge mistake, he will get lambasted for the lack of transparency and public input. I don't think he has a chance to get into the White House now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptJJ View Post
    Gov. Cumo rushed this legislation through in order the gain national popularity, he wanted to be the first to pass new gun laws. This will end up as a huge mistake, he will get lambasted for the lack of transparency and public input. I don't think he has a chance to get into the White House now.
    If this is a taste of what his legistative tendancies and his leadership style would be like, it wouldn't hurt my feelings at all that he doesn't make it to the White House!!!!
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    The issue is, it most likely won't stop at the 2nd amendment rights. If the Federal Gov changes and or counters the 2nd amendment by executive ordered and or congress passes changes, "our freedom" will not be the same as we have lived since the Bill of Rights were written. If the current administration can't get "Gun Control agenda" passed by current congress they will wait for mid term elections and campaign to get the party that will make changes elected to congress, they will hope the Senate stays as current. Executive orders (maybe risqué). The people will have the choice. The last election cost most of us about $2500 more in tax's a year per house hold. Plus think about how much in federal spending will go into enforcement at any measure of control, how do you say more taxes? Don't think for a second that NY will not ask for federal help in enforcment. I belevie that a few other states may follow suit with NY. (Just My View)
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    Tosi, I would only argue one point of you post. There won't be much money spent on enforcement of any new law. The fed doesn't spend any money enforcing the 20,000+ gun control laws on the books now.

    As for Cuomo making the White House? I'd never say it can't be done. All he has to do is use Obama tactics saying "tax the rich and give to the poor" or "more govt handouts to the poor" and he'll carry the vote of most major inner cities just like Obama did.
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    Bfisher is dead on, Obama is the most liberal senator that we have seen in recent years and he got elected. His policies have done nothing to help us get out of the mess that we are in and somehow he was re-elected. What happened to it's the economy stupid. The Democrats realize that they need to play only to its base and to turn everyone out to vote. The Republicans better wake up, they can't be the party that says "see I told you that Liberalism doesn't work". They need to eradicate Liberalism just like the Democrats are trying to do with Conservatism. They need to take the gloves off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bfisher View Post
    Tosi, I would only argue one point of you post. There won't be much money spent on enforcement of any new law. The fed doesn't spend any money enforcing the 20,000+ gun control laws on the books now.

    As for Cuomo making the White House? I'd never say it can't be done. All he has to do is use Obama tactics saying "tax the rich and give to the poor" or "more govt handouts to the poor" and he'll carry the vote of most major inner cities just like Obama did.
    $36 MILLION to implement the new gun controls in the budget Cuomo announced yesterday, not that NY has extra money to spend on anything. Problem is the uninfomed fools that not nothing about guns or how they operate don't understand that the law has no teeth. They assume all "gun control" must be a good thing and it's worth it to "save the children".

    NY is like a smaller version of the country, a large part is rural but the majority of the poulation is centered around NYC. A lot of the counties in my area of upstate NY are facing serious budget shortfalls because of State mandates, telling counties what they must provide without providing any funding to do so. Counties have to figure out what to cut, one of the few things they can do to save money is by reducing sheriff patrols.
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