put moleskin on riser, that helped a bunch took tube off peep, but it seems to float a little, I may try some other .. Aerospace type materials if I can find some lying around to silence that, but that noise went away, I put another turn on the limbs so they are only out 2 turns from full, the only thing I can hear now is the knocks coming off the string and a little vibe in the riser, I have limb savers and a mini s coil with one add on "button" on the way, will let you know how it all goes and what I end up with
thank you for all your help and input