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    I am a little bit perturbed at how the "New" Martin is acting concerning the old customers. "We" used to really like the older Martin's for their customizability by the consumer. Now when you call, they first direct you to the website for the parts, and of course the needed parts aren't there, so then you call back and they tell you that you can only order through a dealer. So then you go to the dealer list...and a bunch of them don't call themselves Martin dealer's anymore and say they are not coming back. The tinkerer's and thinkers and "normal" American crafter are being left out. I wish them well but Martin used to be for us...now seems like going down a road of...
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    Really before I wrote that I tried to think of am amicable solution...and could not come up with one. Yes dealer's should be supported and I commend them for that. Someone needs to take care of the "list" so we can get something accomplished with the bows we love to work on. Also I don't expect them to stock all the old parts or to remake them but the stuff that is available.. give us access to them. We like to not only keep our pride and joys, but keeping them up and running too.
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    Amen brother! If they don't take care of the old Martin shooters,we wont be new martin shooters!

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    I'm all for the new company...and all for the Martin dealers too. You may have misunderstood my rant in that I just wish the old loyal could have easier access to the parts. I know about the old history of Martin archery, I have a good friend who was a manager of the Yakima plant (now shut down). I am also excited for the fresh ideas they (new owners) are coming up with. So please don't think I'm turning my back on Martin, just venting on the nos parts that are there with limited access.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FishingandHuntingUSA View Post
    Yea the old Martin ran the business into the ground really good job they did taking care of anything.
    They leave a complete mess for the new owners and they can only do so much.
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    The initiator of this thread is merely stating that he hopes the new Martin honors the tradition of the old Martin, the Martin that was the Martin company of Gail Martin before it was mismanaged into almost the dust bin of history. It is frustrating for us lovers of Martin to struggle for the parts, and bits needed to keep our "classic" Martins up and running. Old Martins are like old Chevy's, or old Harleys. We love them, and we want to keep them and show them off as the marvels of design that they are. We also want the new models to be of that same innovation so that they can be the classics of tomorrow. When we recognize that they are, we may buy one for ourselves are to start a new shooter off.

    To insult someone who obviously loves the brand as much as the "tuner" does, and to suggest that he throw up his hands in despair and go to the other brand is well "insulting". Thats all I am going to say about it.

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    Greg,
    I apologize for suggesting you insulted the "tuner". I did not see your last post on the thread. Very nice of you to offer your help. The last thing I want to see is this forum become like AT. This is such a great forum, and we all seem to get along so good. Thanks again for offering to help. It is just frustrating at times. I do hope its not true that the last management of Martin purposely attempted to sabotage success for the new owners of the brand. That would be sad.
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    I can accept the "rant" for what it is and the ensuing posts that followed. I feel certain that the Martin family was busy using any many of the stocked parts to build bows for K&M that they left the new owners/management with little or nothing to work with when trying to warrant older bows. As Greg says, they may have had vey little to work with. Maybe they bought the company, but we do not know if they bought the patent rights or the plans and design capabilities to make parts for older bows.

    It's pretty obvious that they can build bows and have parts for some of the newer designs, say from about 2010 and up, as they were pretty similar. What, if any parts they might have for older bows is probably hit or miss or nonexistent. Certainly not the new owners' fault and probably not cost effective to make such parts.

    I would think that the biggest challenge right now is going to be recruiting and establishing a stable and wide spread dealer base. It's one thing for a dealer/shop to get listed as a dealer of Martin bows. It's quite another for them to actually order and sell such bows and have some in stock. Maybe this is where the new management needs to follow up, with the help of their sales reps of course.
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    They really need to update their dealer list too. Clean it out and add the new dealers.
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    Agree with Barry. I saw or heard of the parts situation and probably should have posted. Yes, lots of parts were used up or thrown out or whatever.
    Patience is a good word when considering the New Martin Company. I'm going through this right now with Ben Pearson Outdoors, was Ben Pearson Archery. Okay, Ben Pearson was sold, paper work gone, missing through staff removed, emails, contracts, bow orders, you name it. I've been waiting on my factory bow since January. Lots of headaches due to family issues and miscommunication and then Pearson bought and staff removed. And Ben Pearson, everything moved to North Carolina. Lord. Last word was my bow might be built in two weeks.
    Only contact I have is my Staff Coordinator and he's playing it by ear, telephone calls.

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    I'm totally in agreement with Greg and Sonny.

    I'm aware of some of what is going on at Pearson. They're in much the same situation as the boys at Martin.. A couple weeks ago one of their staff contacted me asking about some of the features I would be looking for in a woman/ youth bow as I had been looking at the Kraken for Natalie. Not that I know a whole bunch about bow design, but as I have posted before I'm not thrilled with all these one-size-fits-all bows being brought out by Diamond, Mission, PSE, Hoyt, and whoever. Their adjustment ranges are way beyond what is needed by almost everybody, and most of these bows are way too short to cover all the bases.

    What most people don't realize is that these new owners are almost starting a business from scratch. In Martin's case they have to overcome the damage brought about to their name and dealer/customer base over a period of at least the last 5 years. The previous owners hadn't even paid their Pro's contingency money nor their sales reps their due commissions for a period of about 2 years. Is it any wonder the sales reps are skeptical along with their dealers? The repair is going to take time and from what I have learned from talking with certain members at Martin the new management is dedicated to the cause. It's going to take time which I'm sure they are aware of.

    I have talked to some of the employees at Martin just to call and say hello to some I remember. To a man/woman they are glad to be back to work doing what they know and all have kind words for the new management personnel. Much better to work with/for than the previous administration.

    In the meantime we who are Martin followers need to show some patience. And for the newer members here and a reminder to some of the older ones----There has been very little in the way of bickering and/or bashing on this site and it SHALL remain that way. If you have some displeasure about something and wish to post please read what you have written before hitting the post button so as not to be misinterpreted.
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