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    Funny seeing the same pics get passed around year after year. Here's the same cats in Texas: http://www.wildlifemanagementpro.com...ns-in-a-group/ The true story: http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/outdo...o-heres-truth/
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    I found the original story from back on Dec 23 2010 but it is still pretty cool to see

    A Wenatchee hunter has a right to be proud for his photo showing a pride of mountain lions on the Douglas County ranch where he has permission to hunt.

    The black and white trail-cam image, which shows EIGHT cougars in one spot (web readers click on “photos” above), has gone viral in Northwest websites and e-mail lists since he first released it to acquaintances on Christmas Day.

    • Wildlife enthusiasts were in awe of the scene, which few people will see in their lifetimes.

    • Alarmists were ready to take up arms against the lion onslaught on the Central Washington deer population.

    • Skeptics assumed it was just another Internet hoax – at best just a hungry pen of cougars in a zoo.

    • But a Washington Fish and Wildlife Department biologist who received a CD of this photo and all of the hunter’s remote camera cougar images raised his eyebrows and called it, “a magnificent one-time observation; not unheard of, but it’s very rare.”

    “Cougars are notoriously territorial,” said Jon Gallie, the state wildlife biologist in Wenatchee. “Seeing eight in one spot is a wildlife jackpot.”

    “I’d like to say I knew what I was doing, but I just got lucky,” said Brad, the hunter who asked that his last name be withheld. “I was trying to get photos of bobcats.

    “But this is the second year I’ve had a (motion-activated) camera in that location and I’ve got images of some coyotes, about five deer and one skunk, but I can’t tell you how many pictures I have of cougars – a lot.”

    Most of the e-mails circulating say the cougars were congregating to feed on a dead cow. But Brad and Gallie both confirmed there was no carcass in the area.

    “The ranchers had carcasses in other areas near Moses Coulee, but they said no cougar tracks were in the snow around them,” Gallie said.

    Coyotes, eagles, ravens and magpies clean up carrion pretty fast, but cougars generally like their meat a little fresher.

    Brad said the camera was mounted on an old cow trail along a rimrock cliff. “It’s the first wide spot in the trail with a view of the huge valley below,” Brad said.

    “It’s a perfect place to stop and scan for prey below,” Gallie said, noting that 300-500 deer might be wintering in a 5-mile stretch of that valley when forced down by snow.

    “That’s why the cougars were there,” Gallie said. “When the snow clears up at higher elevations and the deer disperse, you won’t see that many cougars in one area again.

    “The kittens might have been sitting up there sometimes while their mothers were down hunting,” he added, noting other images of a smaller group of cougars.

    Gary Koehler, the WDFW carnivore specialist and world-class authority on cougars, said the photo of eight cats likely includes two adult females and their litters.

    “We and others have documented two related females converging with their litters on occasion,” Koehler said in an e-mail. “This is likely a result of a female with her current litter and her female offspring from a previous litter and her kittens.

    “Female offspring often set up home range adjacent to their mother and, as demonstrated from radio GPS marked animals, these adjacent females may get together along their home range boundaries with each’s litter.

    “In fact it has been documented where kittens from one female may join up (adopted) with the other litter; and perhaps, as has been documented, go back to their original litter when the mothers join up at some time.”

    Gallie said the photo of eight cougars has caused a buzz among hunters that the hills are full of cougars devouring deer.

    “We’ve been going to sportsmen club meetings to try to explain that isn’t the case,” he said.

    WDFW studies verify that only half of the cougar kittens born each year survive to be a year old, he said.

    Of the kittens that live to their first birthday, only about a third survive to be 2 years old, he added.

    “The photo does not mean there are eight cats in that area each killing a deer a week. The mothers still kill only about one animal a week, but when there are three mouths to feed, something’s got to give. The runt doesn’t eat as much, and eventually doesn’t make it.”

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    Sorry, I was under the impression both were taken on the Reservation. I know a few people associated with the site that posted them & they are straight up. Sounds like this might be an unverified photo someone submitted? Again, I apologize.
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    No it's cool and I am glad you posted it, I had never seen it before.
    Just because it older doesn't mean it's not interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NuttyNative View Post


    These were taken in Simon's (Double S) back yard, the Colville Indian Reservation. I can understand all the Wolves together but have never seen 9 Cougar together. I don't know the setting (bait, winter kill, or pack kill) or exact location. My guess would be Keller or Inchelium areas. The Moose, Elk, and deer population are suffering big time from what I hear.

    Over on the Rez they wouldn't take pics. Cougs would get the Triple S treatment. We have Wolves here now in Lincoln county. My Fed Ex driver keeps me up to date on their location. He'll see they dashing through the wheat fields or cross his path while he's making deliveries. My Cousin showed me a pic of one large wolf just sitting on the edge of here farm property watching the highway traffic pass. I hope to never cross one while bow hunting.

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    I know of four documented Wolf packs that are in the area of Inchelium and Keller. I have seen time stamped pictures and spoke directly with Tribal fish & game. The largest has 23 in it and ranges from Gold Mountain to Republic. I was just led to believe the cats were from there also. I know the Elk and Moose are taking a beating on the Rez. It seems some of the members are happy to see them on their land again?????? I'm sorry, I'm native and I'll kill every one I see without a second thought. People put spiritual beliefs ahead of reality a lot back home when the reality of rarely getting a deer or elk finally sinks in it will be way too late.

    Just feel bad for unknowingly posting something false, even though they are great pictures.
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    Don't worry about it. It's all good. I live right across the river from the Game preserve for the reservation. We've counted over 300 Elk on one hilltop. I
    I've seen Black bear and some big Mule Deer. The section is protected. My dad is a tribal member and he can't hunt in that area. He has to go somewhere to the north. Right now there's a fire on the preserve. I don't know if its controlled burn or caused by dry lightning or fireworks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NuttyNative View Post
    I know of four documented Wolf packs that are in the area of Inchelium and Keller. I have seen time stamped pictures and spoke directly with Tribal fish & game. The largest has 23 in it and ranges from Gold Mountain to Republic. I was just led to believe the cats were from there also. I know the Elk and Moose are taking a beating on the Rez. It seems some of the members are happy to see them on their land again?????? I'm sorry, I'm native and I'll kill every one I see without a second thought. People put spiritual beliefs ahead of reality a lot back home when the reality of rarely getting a deer or elk finally sinks in it will be way too late.

    Just feel bad for unknowingly posting something false, even though they are great pictures.

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    The reserve is only open during the Elk hunt or with special permit for deer or moose and sheep. Not quite sure how you go about getting a special permit. There are some monster Mule deer taken with bows from there every year. Here are two that came out of there last year by my cousins.
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    and his dad Cody.

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    Stop it with the pics Nutty!. Your making a grown man drool!!!!!.

    My dad has some disabilities so it's hard for him to hunt now. If my dad did get a tag I could hunt for him but he has to be in earshot per the rules...Last time I checked.

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    Ok Simon, I'll give three more then quit.
    Cody's 7x7 taken in the Hellsgate reserve with a bow at 25 yards.

    T.J Erb's archery 7x7 bull from Canteen creek, also on the reserve.

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